Obesity The Result of Sloth and Gluttony

CAVEAT: America is in the midst of a gluttony epidemic and there is really no other honest was to describe what is going on. Gluttony is now the leading cause of death in the US. In addition to gluttonous Americans eating themselves into an early grave, their gluttonous ways are putting and unsustainable burden on our health care system. If this reporting of the facts and if this inconvenient truth hurts your feelings, I don’t care. I do care about your kids and the horrible health problems they will develop because of you showing them how to dig themselves an early grave with their mouths.

CAVEAT CONTINUED….
There is nothing in anything I wrote here that is untrue. Sometimes the truth is not pretty and lying to people to spare their feelings is NOT nice and it is dishonest and dangerous.



The question is: Is Obesity The Result of Sloth and Gluttony? The answer is a resounding YES!
This is no theory and there is no way to sugar coat this. The TRUTH IS the TRUTH, and fat people are slothful and gluttonous because if they weren't slothful and gluttonous they would not and could not be fat. If you don’t believe me simply observe fat people. See what they put in their shopping carts, watch what they order in restaurants and watch how the sit and gobble down their horrible food choices. They do not need to eat more. Fatties CHOOSE to eat more. Their gluttony is a choice as are their slothful ways. Obesity is a result of bad choices and if this truth hurts you feelings then I would suggest that you salve those feeling with a couple of cheese cakes and continue denying the obvious truth but if you are as disgusted by your behavior as the responsible people who see it then it is time that you grow up and and act like a responsble adult and amend your lives.

Fatties don’t necessarily eat more food by volume, they eat for pleasure and pleasurable food is easy to chew and it contains more calories. Fatties lust for junk food is HUGE! They don’t eat to live they live to eat.

Gluttony and sloth are two of the 7 deadly sins and as the Bible so adroitly points out, THE WAGES OF SIN LEAD TO DEATH!

Stop Whining About Fat Shaming - You Really Are a Glutton

Watch this entire video and then shut your ugly pie hole and think about it!

If you are on this site you are probably an obese glutton whose lust for food exceeds your sense of personal and social responsibility and love for your family. Admit that you are a glutton and end your gluttonous ways NOW! Grow up!

The Truth is: FAT PEOPLE REALLY ARE GLUTTONS!

You know it, I know it and everybody else knows it. Now it is time to admit it so admit it fatty! You came to this site because you are scared shitless of the fact that you are eating yourself to death but you are not scared enough to grow up and assume some personal and social responsibility when it comes to stuffing your pie hole.

You don't need another sandwich lardass!

You are also here because you are looking for someone or something else to do what you can but won't do and that is ceasing your hedonistic and gluttonous ways. You gluttons don't eat to live, you live to eat so admit. Your food centrism and your disgusting egocentrism aka sinful pride keeps you fat, prideful and gluttonous. You are DISGUSTING!

Here is what you can do and what you WON'T do.

1. Cut out ALL junk food.

2. Keep your caloric intake at or under 2000 per day if you are a woman and 2500 if you are a man. (In most cases.)

If you won't do those simple things then do what the Bible says, in Proverbs 23:2 And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite. 

Your gluttony is a bane on the world and the people in it. You are a bane on the world and the people in it! 

Economic Costs of Obesity | Healthy Communities for a Healthy Future

The health consequences, obesity has real economic costs that affect all of us. The estimated annual health care costs of obesity-related illness are a staggering $190.2 billion or nearly 21% of annual medical spending in the United States.




The Cost of Obesity In The Workplace

The costs of obesity in the workplace. ... RESULTS: Among men, estimates range from -$322 for overweight to $6087 for grade III obese men. For women, estimates range from $797 for overweight to $6694 for grade III. In aggregate, the annual costattributable to obesity among full-time employees is $73.1 billion.

The costs of obesity in the workplace. - NCBI

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20881629

A Wake Up Call For Fatties

Here are some medical and scientific realities.

Gastric bypass bypasses all most all of your small intestine. The small intestine is about 20 feet long. It is 20 feet long for a reason. Find out what that reason is.

A human body cannot defy the laws of physics and here are some numbers.
Your Basal Metabolic Rate is approximately you body weight X 10. If you are 300 pounds than you BMR is 3000 calories. This means that if you eat 3000 calories a day you will initially lose 3 pounds per week and as your body weight decreases your BMR decreases.  Someone weighing 300 pounds with a sedentary lifestyle requires about 5000 calories daily to maintain 300 pounds. The most women should eat is 2000 calories per day.

The reason that you cannot lose weight with the diets you have been using is mainly because you are probably cutting calories too drastically. Weight loss surgery cuts calories very drastically as well and this is not good for a myriad of reasons. As a fatling, your hunger cues are very very powerful and that is why cutting calories gradually works.

Rapid weight loss is very very dangerous and if you don't believe me, Fat Bastardo, google dangers of rapid weight loss.

Let's look at the logic and rationale:
Your stomach and intestines are not what is making you fat and keeping you fat. Too many calories are the culprit. Many people find a way to circumvent the restrictions imposed by WLS. Obesity is the result of behavior and I, Fat Bastardo, can help you with that behavior and if they don't ban me for my opinions and knowledge I would like to do it right here in this thread for all to see.

There is something wrong with the brains and minds of fat people so the idea is damaging a perfectly healthy digestive system is illogical. Fat people is a sense are addicted to food that is designed to be addictive. This show how filthy dirty capitalism is. The food and medical industry are cashing in on this epidemic and laughing all the way to the bank.

If you were to eat healthy food (something you won't be able to do after gastric surgery) at your BMR and gradually reduce the amount eventually the cravings the engineered obesogenic foods would go away. Also, you can speed up the weaning of junk food process with an old medication called Naltrexone.

You do have to take personal responsibility and you do have to come up with some altruistic reasons for doing this. Fatlings are generally not altruistic and they tend to be very self-centered which is a part of addiction. The altruistic reasons would personal and societal responsibility. Think about your loved ones. You owe it to them.

A lot of fatties like to play the tragic victim. You need to knock that off. I call it fattitude. When you do lose weight do not except praise for merely doing the right thing. Learn humility and grace. You don't deserve a pat on the back because what you will have done is nothing special or praise-worthy. Invent the cure for cancer and then you will be deserving of praise.

Nearly As Evil As God?

American doctors are evil for the most part and in spite of there being some exceptions all they care about is exploiting the maladies God has inflicted upon the human race. Many diseases have no prevention and no cure. Some diseases can be prevented and cured. Obesity is one of them. Doctors and their FDA run industry cash in big time on the fact that you are fat. When a doctor sees a fatling he doesn't see a human being he sees dollar signs. Fat people mean huge profits for the medical industry and the white coat mafia. Diabetes CHA CHING! Heart disease CHA CHING, High blood pressure CHA CHING!  Sleep apnea CHA CHING.... the list goes on.

You can stop being fat simply by eating less and moving more. Do it! "How" the ignorant fatling asks.  It's simple. Calculate your basal metabolic rate by multiplying your weight  times 10. If you are 300 pounds then your BMR is 3000 calories per day. If you eat 3000 calories per day you will lose about 3 pounds per week. As your body weight drops recalculate your BMR and eat at that level. This is a slow process but slow and steady wins the race and it is much safer than much easier than some crash diet some fuck wad doctor would prescribe.

Like it of not you are a glutton and you received a lot of help from the food and medical industry to become and stay a glutton.

Like God, doctors suck but the good new is, doctors have shorter life spans than the general population because they believe their own bullshit. God also has will die when the Higgs Boson disintegrates.

Now you have the tool to not be fat and it you fail to act,,, FUCK YOU and DIE SOON!

Fat People Lie So Fuck em When They Die

The 10 Most Common Lies Fat People Tell

After seeing a tweet from Ricky Gervais about how “That bloody Higgs Boson gave me too much mass.” is the Fat persons next excuse. I just had to write this..

How to Gain Weight and Influence People.

There are lies, damn lies and lies fat people tell.  We’ve all done it.  Those little white lies we tell to try to disguise the undeniable fact that we eat too much.  Yet some people seem to have made a science of this art form, to the point that these fibs have become inherent in our language.  We try to explode some of these myths here, and leave the chubsters nowhere to hide.

1) I Don’t Know Why I Put on Weight; I Hardly Eat Anything

When confronted by this whopper, the natural reaction of the recipient is to slap the person.  We marvel at the ability of these people to practice self delusion on such a grand scale.  This is the equivalent statement to, ‘my car’s doing too many miles to the gallon’.  It defies the laws of physics, chemistry and biology.  One down, nine to go.

2) I’m Retaining Water

I think what you’ll find, is that when people try to articulate this particular fraud, they’re actually retaining chocolate.  To retain say 55 pounds of water, you would have to retain nearly 7 gallons.  You would be sloshing and squelching around like a Michelin man full of liquid.  You would have to be the equivalent of a human camel or a giant human sponge.  Do you think I’m some kind of an idiot or something?

3) I’m Big Boned

Bones make up around 15% of a human’s body weight.  An adult weighing 176 lbs, can expect to have a skeletal mass of around 33 lbs.  A person who was 66 lbs overweight, as a result of being big-boned, would have to have a skeletal mass, greater than double the norm.  Whereas this quotient does vary from individual to individual, the differences are generally slight, and medically recorded cases of such extremes are unknown.

4) I Can’t Lose Weight

It’s true that overeating is an addiction.  Let’s face it, if we didn’t eat we’d die.  Nobody’s saying it’s easy to lose weight, but people do manage it all the time.  It takes a certain amount of willpower and commitment.  It also requires that you have to stop lying to yourself.  Saying ‘I can’t lose weight’, is the equivalent of claiming a genetic predisposition to saying no to chocolate cake.  This futile argument could be applied to almost anything.  ‘I can’t clean the dishes.  My dish washing gland was ripped out in a freak accident’.

5) I’m Starting My Diet/training Tomorrow

‘The sun’ll come out tomorrow…’.  No seriously though.  How many times have we heard this one.  More times than we’ve heard, ‘I’m starting my diet right now’.  The shifting sands of future diet starting dates, is about as solid as, ‘the cheque’s in the post’.  It’s an insult to our intelligence.

 6) My Latest Gadget / Fad Diet Will do the Trick

Every year, millions of pudgy suckers are parted with millions of pounds worth of their hard earned money, in exchange for the promise of miracle weight loss by one dodgy means or another.  These are as disparate as reality defying exercise gadgets, and revolutionary drugs and/or diets.  Why are people so willing to give credence to these manipulative racketeers, and why is this practice even legal.  It seems that a weight loss invention doesn’t have to be remotely plausible to be allowed onto the market.  Hang on, I’ve got one, I call it the diet hat.  Just wear this hat, it’s scientifically proven to lose weight for the wearer.  ‘What scientists’, you ask.  Oh, the independent ones who work for me.  Only $199.00 plus shipping and handling, thanks very much.  So long suckers.

 7) I’m Happy With my Current Weight

Yeah right.  It seems there are so many overweight people who are claiming to be happy with their figures, yet not many people who are unhappy having fantastic physiques.  Does it strike these people as odd, that there is a multi-billion pound industry geared towards helping people get into great physical shape, yet no products to help people who are struggling to become obese.  Could it be that these people are like little children lost in the dark, whistling to try to keep their spirits up.  Do we spare these people their blushes, and politely reply, ‘good for you’.  Hell no, you lying tubsters.

8) Things Will Change on their Own

This is about as likely as emptying a tin of alphabet soup out of a 3rd floor window, and expecting it to land on the pavement in the form of a Shakespearean sonnet.  People who are victims of this particular delusion, are like punch-drunk prizefighters, getting knocked down, only to get up back again and endure more punishment.  Reality is cruel.

9) Being Fat Runs in my Family

This is a variation of the ‘I can’t lose weight’ deception.  Did you ever stop to wonder why this is.  Is it that fat people have a combination of chromosomes  that thin people don’t have.  Or, is it that fat parents give their kids huge portions of food.  Do these overfed children then pass this trait on to their own kids, and so the cycle of abuse continues.  Is it easier to blame nature than our parents.  Mmm, let me think about this one.

10) The Only Way is Surgery / Liposuction

I’ve saved the best for last.  This is a very special lie, told only by the pathologically deluded.  If anybody ever tries to pass this one off on you, don’t have anything more to do with them.

In Conclusion

If we are to lose weight, perhaps the first loss, should be the weight of our denial.  We can not hope to shed a single pound, till all of our weight-loss fallacies are debunked.  In truth, there is only one way to lose weight, and this is to create a calorie deficit.  This can only be achieved naturally by a combination of diet and/or exercise.  It is far from quick and easy.  Sorry to burst your bubble porky, but it’s for your own good.  Hey, I care.

Fat People Lie

This blog is dedicated to exposing the dangers of bariatric surgery and the lies of the weight loss surgeons and their loathsome industry.

Just how bad is obesity? It is the second or third leading cause of preventable death killing around 300,000 Americans each year and that may sound bad but doctor blunders alone kill at least that many and the medical industry kills well over a million Americans each year and make a huge fortune in the process.... More on this in another post.

What this blog is also intended to do is to offer alternatives to the butchery that is weight loss surgery. So then, if you are fat and you can't handle being fat and feel as though paying a hacker to butcher you is your only option I offer you some help and tough love from health expert CG Brady.

Many of you have tried diets but you probably didn't try hard and you didn't work smart. Your diet didn't fail. You failed and you failed because you have fattitude. Most fat men will grudgingly admit thet they are gluttons. Women tend to lie about that and a whole lot of other things.


As part of CG's research he went on to a diet forum that was primarily Atkins. The administrator was an angry fat girl -- talk about the blind leading the blind.

He posted a study by Temple University that showed who "high self esteem" makes and keeps women fat.

Proof That High Self-Esteem Keeps You Fat by CG Brady

How High Self-Esteem Keeps You Fat


A new study sheds light on why some women find it difficult to lose weight. When obese women have positive self-image, 1 in 5 will choose a silhouette of an obese woman as being at her “ideal” body weight.


This study also supports other research that has shown that fat people tend to have fat friends. Alcoholics or drug addicts who are overcoming addiction are taught to get rid of the friends that enable their dangerous behaviors.

Maybe a person on a diet needs to do the same?


In research published in the May issue of the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Temple researchers studied the body image perceptions of 81 underweight, normal weight, overweight or obese women in the North Philadelphia area and found that as their body mass index (BMI) increased, two-thirds of the women still felt they were at an ideal body size.
n research published in the May issue of the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Temple researchers studied the body image perceptions of 81 underweight, normal weight, overweight or obese women in the North Philadelphia area and found that as their body mass index (BMI) increased, two-thirds of the women still felt they were at an ideal body size.


"So the question for doctors then becomes, 'How can we effectively treat our overweight and obese patients, when they don't feel they're in harm's way?'" said study researcher Marisa Rose, M.D., assistant professor of Obstetrics, Gynecology and Reproductive Sciences in the Temple University School of Medicine. "It stresses a need for culturally sensitive education for this population."


All participants were measured for height and weight and completed an anonymous survey to determine their self-perceived, current and ideal body sizes. Each woman was then shown an illustration of different-sized women that correlated with increasing BMIs, and were asked which size they felt they were at currently, and what their ideal would be.


While most of the participants selected illustrations of women in the normal to overweight range, about 20 percent of the obese women selected an overweight or obese silhouette as their ideal body shape. Further, 68 percent (15 out 22) of overweight participants and 84 percent (26 of 31) of obese women underestimated their current BMI. African-American and Hispanic women had significantly underestimated their current body size, while the white women overestimated.
Rose and her fellow researchers say this is the first study to evaluate body image discrepancy specifically in the inner-city population of women seeking gynecologic care.


"For this group, gynecologists often serve as the primary care provider as well," said Rose. "As more women become obese and overweight, it becomes critical for gynecologists to know how to talk to their patients about the adverse effects of obesity."
The researchers say that their next course of action is to determine from a more diverse population whether the trend of women incorrectly perceiving their body size extends to most underweight, overweight and obese women or whether the trend is specific to the inner-city population.
"Informing our patients about the dangers of obesity, even when they feel they're not at risk, can help empower them to change their lifestyles and lead healthier lives," said Rose.

Other authors on the study were: Sushma Potti, M.D.; Marina Milli, M.D.; Stacey Jeronis, M.D.; and John P. Gaughan, Ph.D of Temple University School of medicine.

The first response came from a paranoid Michael B:

So the article appears to be indicating that the problem stems from not high self esteem, but lack of recognition that one is obese or at an unhealthy weight.

I don't see crushing a patent's self esteem as the solution they offer. Instead, they indicate that "it becomes critical for gynecologists to know how to talk to their patients about the adverse effects of obesity." 

Moreover, you might take note of another point made in the article, "It stresses a need for culturally sensitive education for this population." Basically, the audience will heed your advice and be more receptive you your message, if you approach them from a non-judgmental position.  

 My Response:

Here are my comments on the above article.

It is scientifically valid.

It was done by some very bright people at a very good university

There are other studies and research than backs up Temple's findings findings including an exhaustive survey of several thousand completed and graded MMPI indices and other psychometric tests.

Casual observation of the obese reveals much of what this experiment revealed. Other researchers have found that if fat people did not have higher self esteem than the general population then they would lack the psychological fortitude to be seen in public.

I a private message I told the admin here that it is my belief that fat people have what is commonly referred to as high self-esteem. I told him if he wanted to see "low self esteem" all he need do is observe an anorexic. The idea that fat people have low self-esteem is a logical fallacy. Now the "fat people have low self-esteem" myth has been busted.

At this point I will bid you all a fond adieu. If you would like me to explain why the obese develop higher self esteem than the general population then simply respond to this thread.

Another liar responds:

I'm not sure your game. If it's trolling then you're doing a good job because you're getting a lot of responses. If you're trying to sell people on your method or your intelligence then misinterpreting a study might not be the best way to go about it. First of all proof is almost impossible, second of all the proof that you find is different than what the researchers appear to be studying.

Self Esteem /= to body image. There is no evidence that the people in the study are fatter because of their body image. Although I'd agree it's possible. And there's no evidence that being happy with your weight keeps you fatter than someone who is unhappy with their weight. Considering studies that show dieting results in higher overall weight on average it might have the opposite outcome. Basically the problem is you're taking a study and simplifying it way too much for it to remain useful. 

I'd tend to agree with Michael that this study is probably most helpful in providing a different way to try and tackle the obesity problem. Not for making absolute truths. 

EDIT: I find it a bit hard to believe that a research scientist would have such difficulty understanding the research process. So I'd have to assume you're either trolling or making up false titles. 

Followed by another sneaky liar:

Interesting article, and I think I get what they are saying. But a sample size of 81 hardly “proves” anything… depending on the variables the were using the data in such a small sample is prone to being skewed by a few outliers. My inner nerd is curious to see their raw data.

Anecdotally (which doesn’t prove anything either). I don’t know any obese women that feel good about their bodies. I knew a few that have accepted their bodies, but I wouldn’t say they have a very positive body image. I do know some obese men that like their bodies. Even though they have high self esteem, they still talk about needing to lose weight for health reasons. It would be interesting to see a similar study with male participants. 

The main point of the article makes sense, though, that if you are happy with your physique you are less likely to want to change it. I don’t think you are necessarily getting the same conclusions as the authors stated. You seem to have an agenda, which I am still not understanding… 

Posting this article, though, still makes me think that maybe you are coming for the perspective of anti-fat acceptance. I mentioned in a previous thread that was locked that this website doesn’t promote fat acceptance. We are all striving to lose weight and be healthy. So, again, we may not be the audience you think we are. (I hate to generalize with a “we” like that… I don’t speak for everyone of course. That is just my assessment of this website based on my first month of being a member here.) 

Are you really here for purely altruistic purposes? Or are you selling your services? A book? Are you just bored and you like to post on forums? What up? 

Of course… since you bid us “a fond adieu”, I assume you are done doing whatever it you wanted to do here. Good luck being a “research scientist”.

My response:

Dr Albert Ellis, father of Rational Emotive Therapy pretty much proved that this thing we call self esteem is a very dangerous thing. Ellis contended that it was because self-esteem is conditional. I agree with that but I take it a few steps further. The idea of self esteem is a nebulous concept at best. It is not really measurable. For instance an Amish person may be perfectly well adjusted but the Amish are a humble people who are taught humility. Someone may see that as "low self-esteem". I see it as humility. Humility is one of the heavenly virtues.

As to culture; if you were to look at the obesity maps you will see that the Bible belt leads the country in obesity. If you examine what these people believe you will find that they believe that grace or being born again assure them a place in heaven. In a sense they think they are better than everyone else. They lack humility. They are also the fattest people on earth. They ignore the Biblical warnings about excess as they drive their SUVs and gobble down everything in sight at there church picnics.

As to culture; Americans are the fattest people on earth. We are a culture of excess and pride. The humble and frugal Japanese have an obesity rate of 3.2% whereas the prideful and wasteful Americans have an obesity rate of over 30% according to this site Obesity statistics - countries compared - NationMaster

I don't see how being "sensitive" to a destructive cultural behavior is going to make people do the right thing. Take your average over weight Southerner. He needs to stop behaving like a Southerner and Americans as a whole need to stop behaving like the greedy professional consumers they have become. We like to blame fast food and large portions but they fact is the companies who offer fast food and obscenely large portions are merely giving the consumer what he wants. Think about it. If McDonald when back to its 1970's portion sizes they would be out of business in a few months.

Americans did not get fat by being frugal, humble, or responsible. Americans got fat by being prideful, irresponsible and gluttonous about everything. That is why by 2020 America will become disabled by obesity. You don't want to hear it but is is the entire truth.

I spit in their soup.

Liar MichaelB Responds again:

Here is how this piggy lies:

My main thought was just that it's a pretty rough generalization to say that all obese people "suffer" from high self-esteem. Some may have a positive body image, but that's not necessarily the situation with everyone.

Nobody has said ALL fat people suffer from high self esteem/egoism. See how they lie?


Just as everyone's body loses weight a little differently, everyone's situation in life is a little different. Our experiences, our history, our past has shaped us. And even though we may all be obese as a group, we may have gotten here via very different paths and for very different reasons. 

Sorry liar, you all got fat the same way. You ALL ate irresponsibly!

My response in general: 

A couple of points I need to correct. There are other studies that back the Temple study. Several years ago a survey of the MMPI showed the same thing. ie fat people have high self-esteem

I am anti-fat acceptance. What is fat acceptance? When a spouse goes from a size 6 to an 8 and does nothing about it, that is a form of fat acceptance. When that spouse reaches 250 pound and her hubby complains and her response is, "If you loved me you would accept me for what I am" that is fat acceptance. If a parent allows their kids to eat unhealthy food that to is fat acceptance. The organized fat acceptance movement promotes obesity, misinformation, myths, bad health, and gluttony and the call it HAES Health At Every Size.

If you are losing weight in a sense you are a recovering fat acceptor. I am lean because I find for myself being fat is completely unacceptable. Is it unacceptable to me that people are fat? I suppose it is.

Ahhhh Altruism. I am here for insight and to help. I have nothing to sell and I even offered to help one member here free of charge. I will not accept paying clients from this site unless the admin wants me to.

More Altruism: One thing that helps my clients turn the corner is when I ask them for noble or unselfish reasons for why hey want to regain good health. I start out asking them why the want to regain good health and so far none of them have given and altruistic reason. When I gently force the issue they really have to give it some thought and they struggle to come up with some. When I ask them why they want to lose weight the answers are right on the tip of their tongue and they always start with I and end with me. I don't think selfish reasons should be on the tips of their tongues or in the forefront of their motivation to take the steps required to get healthy.

What I do is lead clients to the right information and help them apply it. It is actually quite easy. I have had a lot of success and I continue to hone my skills. I hope someday that my protocols are used everywhere. I think you will agree that everything tried so far has not worked. People who continue my program usually get results in 6 to 12 sessions. If they don't get results I will not accept payment. If they do get results I will not accept payment until they are close to or at their goal. They pay me what they think my services are worth. That may not be altruism but it's pretty damn close.

Again, do not PM me for contact info. I will not post any contact info so don't ask. Your admin has the info. If you wish to contact me ask him for it. I am not here to drum up business. I am here to discuss obesity its cause and it cure.

My more specific response: 

It is not a generalization but it is a fact that most obese people have higher slef esteem people at low or healthy weights. Michael Jackson suffered from horribly low self esteem and he starved himself to death while the people around him bled him t\dry.

For most people junk food its pleasures are a greater payoff than good health and an attractive body. People get fat for most of the same reasons. There is no mystery as to why they chronically eat too many calories. Believe me, you guys are not that special. Food and its pleasures mean more to most people than good health, attractiveness, personal and social responsibility. That is a tough pill to swallow but it is the case. 

MamaPig chimes in with a lie fest.

Your post made it sound like I've pm'ed you for contact information. I've never done that, nor am I interested in doing that. Perhaps that was directed at another member?

I am trying to assume that you are coming from a good place and that you aren't simply here to get some twisted jollies. I want you to be this guy  and not this guy  ... but right now you are this guy . Oh, I love emoticons.
 

I don't think people here disagree with the basics of what you are saying (well... most of the basics). We all know that we got fat eating too much and exercising too little. As far as I can see, most of us are remedying the problem by eating a reduced calorie diet and exercising.

I think the advice you have given regarding weight loss (at least that which I can tease out from your posts) is really pretty much in line with what everyone here seems to already know and already be acting on. I think you are just losing people on your tough love (?) delivery. 

And... I just have to ask. You don't have to answer, because it isn't any of my business. But... in a couple of posts now you have stated that you dislike fat people. Why have you gone into a business where fat people are your clients? Same reason someone who hates teenagers becomes a juvenile corrections officer?

My response: 

You seem to be reading things that are not there. First please show me where I said or even implied that you PM'd me. You are welcome to PM me even though you called me an asshole.

Second show me where I said or even implied that I dislike fat people.

You speak of tough love. I would not characterize what I do as being tough love. It may be an act love or just a little bit of human decency ie showing people how not to commit suicide with food. My approach challenges irrational thinking, statements and behaviors. Regarding their obesity fat people often engage in irrational thinking. Fat people often make irrational statements and for sure their behaviors regarding how they feed and care for themselves are irrational. A rational person would not chronically indulge in caloric poisoning. That is what they do.

Part of the reason I am effective is because of the language I choose. I don't mince words because for something as important as this you can't mince words. Do you think I want to see you fail and get sick and die before your time?

Are you going to reject the truth of what I am saying because you don't like my style? I am not going to salve you or anyone else. I tell it like it is. People today are not used to that. If you had cancer and there was a good 40% that treatment would save your life would you want your doctor to keep that information from you for fear of upsetting you?

I have a pretty good idea as to why you are an over eater and how you can stop. If you would like to discuss it let me know. We can do it in this thread if you like.

More deception from Monique:

There are so many problems with the posts made by this asshole I don't think it's worth my time to address them all. But as MichaelB and MamaPig have pointed out: "proof" is FAR too strong a word for a group of 81 women in which ONLY 20% of the ONLY 31 obese women -- which makes 6 women -- identified EITHER the overweight OR the obese silhouette as ideal. Actually it makes 6.2 women, which means the percentages were rounded up! You are saying that if SIX WOMEN who are obese don't recognize the current, medically-preferred body type you can generalize about all obese people? Not to mention that body-image and self-esteem are completely different issues!

So the solution in your mind is to assume that all obese people must have overly high self esteem, even though the vast majority -- 80 percent! -- did NOT think they had the ideal body. And you feel the best way to counteract that is to be insensitive? I do not think you have a "style." I think what you are calling honesty is oversimplification and a lack of empathy or humanity. And your "language" would be more effective if you bothered to do some basic copy editing on your posts. I wish your "adieu" had been genuine! 

My response:

You may want to read a bit more carefully.

Where did I say fat people have OVERLY high self esteem? If you had read what I had written you would see that I never said that. If you had read with a normal amount of reading comprehension you would know by now that I think self esteem is pretty much a myth. What fat people have IMO is called egoism. True self esteem is conditional. Egoism isn't.

What that study really proves is that fat and obese are now the new normal.

As to the adieu you need to go back and read what I wrote and you need to stop lying.

The article that admin posted that I wrote was ALTERED and posted on this site Bigger Fatter Blog The owner of this site is a member of what they call the new fat acceptance. These people are militantly anti diet. There are about 400+ fat acceptance websites in something they call the fatosphere. They come to diet forums and use a sophisticated disinformation technique. Most of the FA blogs are highly censored but Bigger Fatter isn't.

Here is the BFB mission statement. There are about 6 sites similar to BFB that I know of.

Bigger Fatter Blog 

This is the next phase in fat acceptance. The days of justifying our fatness by saying we have a mysterious genetic or metabolic disorder are over. We now freely admit and embrace what the fat haters would call gluttony. We fatlings are no longer apologists for our size nor our greedy gluttony. We are fat because we eat huge amounts of food and we like it. If you don't like it get used to it because fat people are now the overwhelming majority.


BFB is a male run FA site. 99% of the FA sites are female run and most FA members are female. The FA culture is very very sick. They indulge in strange sexual fetishes such as feederism and crushing. They are not particularly fond of fat men but they encourage men called fat admirers to have sex with them. Fat Bastard and Proud FA are the owners of the site and regulars at fat conventions that are pretty much orgies of food and sex. They started their site because they think men are treated badly by fat women and they think the current fat acceptance is dishonest. I agree with them on that. They are one of many sites who promote gormandizing and excess. They see fat people as the new royalty. They really dislike me and they try to prank and monkey wrench people like me MeMe Roth. 

Liar Monique lies:

So what's your point, and how is that relevant to our site? The version of your article you provided had no differences I could determine besides the addition of comments in italics, which the Admin explained he had left out. And you already explained the context in another thread, which I still don't think excuses your description of a client as a hooked fish or the use of insulting terms like "gluttony" and "laziness" in regards to the people this forum is intended to help.

I don't care about the Fat Acceptance movement particularly and I CERTAINLY don't care about your feelings about it. Why do you feel the need to research and then share the sexual fetishes of a group you hate? I don't care what consenting adults do in their bedrooms. Why would you care if other people like to have sex with women you find unattractive? It sounds like sour grapes to me! Anyway that's not what this site is about. This site is about how to get healthier when you're obese. 
"They really dislike me and they try to prank and monkey wrench people like me and MeMe Roth."

From this comment I suspect you are just here to vent about how this other forum doesn't like you. I also suspect you might be a 12-year-old. Frankly I can see why they don't like you if you continually post obnoxious and inaccurate information and then ignore requests for clarification. Why don't you take your own advice and stop feeling sorry for yourself about people not liking you? Now you know how you make fat people feel!

My response: 

It is relevant because the statements they, you and others attributed to me came from that site. I explained the context and you still tried to say they were my words. You are pissed because I busted you on your I barely eat BS using the laws of physics as undeniable proof. You got owned and you got busted and now you are lying.

Obnoxious is in the eye of the beholder but inaccurate is not. You cannot find one thing I said that is inaccurate. Again, stop lying.

I don't know how fat people feel but I do know how they often behave.

I love it when scumbags don't like me. It validates me. Do you like me.

As to the sick and dangerous practices of the fat acceptors goes, of course you don't care about it. I on the other hand have a strong sense of personal and social responsibility so the idea of feeding someone to purposely make them gain weight to morbidly obese proportions is a concern of mine as many of these people have children. Then again I am not so self absorbed that I don't consider the fate of others. Unlike YOU I don't turn a blind eye to such atrocities.

Hooked fish? I never said that. STOP LYING!

Here is a definition of gluttony :Excess in eating or drinking. How is that insulting? You are really really obese. Are you saying that an excess in eating and drinking didn't make you fat and doesn't keep you fat?

If someone were to say accuse you of gluttony what could you say to prove them wrong? You do eat to excess. So why are you not a glutton? Do you prefer the term over eater? Gormandizer?

Lazy? Tell me why this doesn't apply to you. You are what the fat acceptors would call super sized. You have been that way for quite sometime. RIGHT? You were not born weighing nearly 350 pounds. You know what to to to not be fat but obviously you didn't do it. Would you call that ambitious?

If someone were to say that behavior was that of a lazy person and that in fact you were lazy why would they be wrong? When it comes to your weight tell me why your behavior has not been that of a lazy person.

Tell me why other obese people are not lazy and gluttonous. You accused me of calling fat people lazy gluttons. I did not even call them lazy gluttons. Would you prefer languid over-indulgers? How about shiftless gormands? Perhaps slothful over eaters? Do any of these descriptions fit? If not what does fit people who knowingly eat too much and do nothing about it?

You ask why I am concerned about men having sex with obese women. As long as they don't get them pregnant. That would be a disaster. Fat women should NOT get pregnant. That is child abuse plain and simple!!  

Monique the angry glutton lies again: 

I don't want to address your presumptions about me because I don't want to get into personal attacks and name calling. I did that once before in frustration and I regret it because I now see you like that reaction. You want to be able to claim you're being bullied and censored and all that. But my problem with your posts is really what you are saying, not who you are.

Your assertion that having children while overweight is in and of itself child abuse is so completely unfounded I don't know how to respond. I would ask you to explain how excess weight on the part of the parents even affects parenting at all but I know you'll only ask more stupid rhetorical questions to try and distract us from your inability to clarify what you haven't fully considered. You would then have to defend the ridiculous position that people with known health risks should not have families because it is abusive to create children unless you are in perfect health. Wow, that would have a lot of civil rights implications! How do we determine who is healthy enough by your standards to reproduce? Maybe those unfit in your eyes should be sterilized? Or possibly you just think it is abusive to have children when not attractive to you personally? Does your sexual preference alone determine who may and may not reproduce? Why aren't men allowed to be attracted to obese women in your mind? Are women allowed to be attracted to obese men? Can obese men get non-obese women pregnant? 


NOTE: Obesity more than doubles the risk on many major birth defects and autism. 

Your moral issues with sex and reproduction are pretty complicated. I don't know if you have ever been in love or had sex yourself, but I suspect not. If you had you would know that in general orgies nowadays involve birth control.  

Note: I suspect that this liar has kids that are disabled up due to her obesity. 

All these people are obese. They are all looking for a way to not be fat yet still maintain their current gluttonous lifestyles.